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Robert Fisk: Hosni Mubarak has fallen. Assad clings on. Yet the fate of their nations is anyone's guess - Robert Fisk - Commentators - The Independent


Robert Fisk: Hosni Mubarak has fallen. Assad clings on. Yet the fate of their nations is anyone's guess

The Long View: They can say Shafik's rule would be 'a more ferocious version of a police state than that under Mubarak'

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President Assad warned his war could spread to other countries
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There is nothing so bad as a journalist in the wrong place at the wrong time. So here I was in Cairo, covering the trial of Hosni Mubarak, arriving from Lebanon – where 15 people have just died – while Bashar al-Assad pops up on my television screen yesterday to say that his army was not responsible for the massacre at Houla a week ago. And there was Assad, talking of the most serious crisis since the end of colonialism. Well, you can say that again.

And I don't feel a lot happier. Ahmed Shafik, the Mubarak loyalist, has the support of the Christian Copts, and Assad has the support of the Syrian Christians. The Christians support the dictators. Not much of a line, is it?

On Saturday, the dictator of Egypt was sentenced to life. On Sunday, the dictator of Syria fought for his life. And he said – he warned, he threatened – that his war could extend to other countries. And we all know what that means. The future of the Lebanese city of Tripoli is in doubt. Not long ago, a Lebanese friend said to me that she feared for her country if Assad was in danger. Now I know what she means.

These are bad times for the Arab "spring" or awakening. In Yemen, there are bad times – the government helping the US drone attacks on Al Jazeera operatives. In Egypt, there are Americans who want to support Shafik. Yet in the country's Al Ahram daily, editors are free to say that the first reaction of Shafik's spokesman to the presidential election is that "the revolution has ended". And they can write that Shafik's rule would be "a much more ferocious version of a police state than what was under the second half of Mubarak's three-decade rule". The paper spoke of "endless sacrifices of young men and women so that all of Egypt, those who took part in the revolution, those who sympathised with it, and those who opposed it, can have a better life whereby violations will not remain the norm". Could I have read anything like this under Mubarak?

But could I have read anything like this in Lebanon? Is Lebanon not serious about freedom? Is Yemen? The fact is that the Arabs are waking up – which is why I prefer the Arab "awakening" to the Arab "spring". And I think Syria is "awakening". Now, President Assad said yesterday that his country's "security" is a "red line" and implied – only implied, mind you – that the war in Syria (and he called it a war) could topple over into a neighbouring state (for which, read Lebanon). And so I am worried about Lebanon and the Alawites in Lebanon who support Assad, who deserve better.

But I am also aware that the Shafik warriors, those in Washington who want Shafik to restore Egypt's old relationship with Israel, those who want, in effect, to restore Mubarak's dictatorship, to recreate the old paradigm (Mubarak "stability" versus the old fear of Muslim Brotherhood), will want to pump up Christian fears and frighten the West with the awfulness of "Muslim fundamentalism", will pop up their heads again as surely as Assad. And as the Republicans close in on Obama, will they not show their love for Mubarak's last Prime Minister?

But maybe we shall have to live, perhaps, with Mohamed Morsi as the next President of Egypt, a Muslim Brother, a man who will have to show that a Muslim government can actually run an economy, can tame corruption (or cannot, as the case may be) as the Muslim government of Algeria should have been allowed to do in 1991. I'm not sure.

But let's go back to Lebanon. Its press is free. Its people are. It got shot of Syria in 1995 (albeit at the cost of an ex-Prime Minister's life). It can look over the border to Syria to see how democratic and free its nation is. And – dare one say this? – poor Syria. It doesn't deserve the pain and massacres it is enduring. Its President is claiming that international conspiracies are destroying his country. Given Saudi Arabia's and Qatar's interest in helping the resistance, he may be right. And weapons are certainly entering Syria from Lebanon.

So here's a bad omen from Cairo. Shafik may win – though Mubarak's trial may prove otherwise. Assad may fail – though I fear the civil war of which Kofi Annan speaks. And Lebanon will live. Maybe I should fly back tomorrow.

Independent Comment
mombser2
6 minutes ago

" There is nothing so bad as a journalist in the wrong place at the wrong time."When have you ever been in the right place at the right time!

Arcite
38 minutes ago

No one expects a revolution, until it happens. 

edzuiderwijk
46 minutes ago

The one nobody dares to propose and perhaps the only one that would work:  Israeli peacekeepers.

slyfas
57 minutes ago

"In Yemen, there are bad times – the government helping the US drone attacks on Al Jazeera operatives."

I should think there is a typo here. "Al Jazeera" needs to be substituted with "Al Qaeda". Or, am I wrong?

donttrustem
1 hour ago

No to this war and no to intervention
 
Please stop this orchestrated propaganda its not going to work.
If Nato go's in even more people will die..

edzuiderwijk
48 minutes ago

It's essentially a primitive conflict between religious groups.

Stay well out of it.

philipscipio
1 hour ago

I'm amazed that Fisk seems ignorant of what is going on. I reckon the Israelis are feeling very smug with the demise of Saddam, Colonel Gaddafi and the chaos in Syria right now. Their plan to foment civil strife amongst its Arab neighbours was devised in 1982 by Israeli government advisor Oded Yinon and translated by Israel Shahak as 'The Zionist Plan for the Middle East'. This is a must read and is not too long. Here is an excerpt from the intro...

The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states. Small her will depend on the ethnic or sectarian composition of each state. Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel's satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation.

And this on Syria...

Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon, so that there will be a Shi'ite Alawi state along its coast, a Sunni state in the Aleppo area, another Sunni state in Damascus hostile to its northern neighbor, and the Druzes who will set up a state

Search 'Zionist plan for the middle east information clearing house'

Mario Tabone-Vassallo
1 hour ago

The Sunni putsch over the last years, and not just in Arab-Moslem lands, has often been highlighted, but no one refers to the Golan Heights in the context of Syria

Zainab Saccal
1 hour ago

Long where the days I longed to read your articles and wait eagerly for them... 

xxxbinky
1 hour ago

Sorry about my stroke wording but the class of the poor is really what this all about.

The Rich Men are in control and make the poor men and women make it change regardless of ANY religion.

xxxbinky
1 hour ago

The Poor Women who live in Syria, how can they pay for their guns and transport?

How do the bullets that these poor women need to keep alive, are the bullets eatable?

How are the poor little houses shelled and who will be able to shoot down their friends and neighbours in the land?

World war. ww2,  between UK and Germany, are in the experience and the memory of old women who are still both alive are on the memories on the planet. 

On this planet, War is going on all the time but it is about the countries who start to get angry with the lives of the poor, especially poor women, are trying to change now.

Bindun
2 hours ago

The Muslim Brotherhood is CIA proxy. Their leader MI6 man. NATO, north atlantic terrorist organization is doing what they did in Libya. Arm terrorists and Sunni criminals, pay them well (Saudi, Kuwaiti money) Stage incidents of civilian deaths and blame Assad and then publish BS is the zio controlled media. Nothing new. All for apartheid israel living on stolen land.....wonder why? Wonder why there is an "economic crisis"? Follow the money.

valles
2 hours ago

Couldn't most of the commenters here just change their nom de plume to "Yankee Bashers"?

Blaggerr2011
2 hours ago

Posted by Ian Watson:

"The elephant that remains still in the room is this:  Is Assad doing anything different than Obama would do, that Cameron would do in the same situation that armed rebels were shooting police, civil service and military personnel?"

As yet another drone attack demonstrates.

Oh, read the story on the "Flamer"  computer virus/trojan/worm. Then remember that Obama said a cyber attack on the US is an act of war. Of course when the US (aka West) does "It is done in the best possible taste." - as Kenny Everett's Cupid said!! (see it on U-Tube)

Also have a read Robert Fisk's article " Clinton's $33m raid on Pakistan shows that, in the end, hypocrisy will win"

John Doe
2 hours ago

Because the Christians don't want to get slaughtered by the Islamists. The Journalist hasn't done his homework!!

Fayez79
2 hours ago

You too need to wake up....

John Doe
2 hours ago

tell that to the Coptics in Egypt

bandraboy
2 hours ago

Fisk wrote

"And I don't feel a lot happier. Ahmed Shafik, the Mubarak loyalist, has the support of the Christian Copts, and Assad has the support of the Syrian Christians. The Christians support the dictators. Not much of a line, is it?"

Fisk, if Shafik is elected, how can he be a dictator?

Is he in power now? No. So he can't be a dictator right now.

So how can Shafiq be a dictator Mr Fisk?

Fayez79
2 hours ago

I can answer you don't mind Fisk: In the 'Middle East', all what you need is to be in power, once there you can be who ever you want to be...

NiceChappie
2 hours ago

Strangely, Fisk neglects to mention how Syria gives the lie to the risible notion that left alone and untainted by Western influence, Arab or Muslim nations would be havens of peace, harmony, tolerance, and democracy.
Clearly, Assad is behaving in the same manner as all autocratic Arab dictators - regardless of their support from the West - with stomach-churning cruelty and cynicism.
So it would seem that as long as he remains an enemy of the West he can continue to torture and slaughter his nation's children and enjoy the enthusiastic backing of the UK's pathetic rabble of keyboard warriors, Juvenile Jihadistas and Islamofascists.
And the much-vanted solidarity among Muslims? Clearly a joke.
"Its President is claiming that international conspiracies are destroying his country...He may be right."
A shameful and wholly erroneous comment, Fisk. The butchery in Syria started long before any "outside elements" became involved. Assad and his father before him are proven mass-murderers of innocent Muslims.
Merely by virtue of the fact that he has fashioned himself as the region's anti-Western bulwark does he escape your censure for the copious Muslim blood he has spilled.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

Foxexpress
18 minutes ago

That risible notion is yours alone.

NiceChappie
12 minutes ago

Not true, sadly.
On these pages this ridiculous theory is often voiced.
Still I'm delighted to have a found a convert to my view. Welcome on board, sunshine.

cooperative5
2 hours ago

Syria gives the lie to the risible notion that left alone and untainted by Western influence, Arab or Muslim nations would be havens of peace, harmony tolerance and democracy.

I agree: absolutely key to the argument!

porkfright
1 hour ago

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cooperative5
1 hour ago

You're up early for a bank holiday!

perthite
2 hours ago

If things start going really badly for Assad, he can always play his one wild card: he can call in Hezbollah, who owe him big and are dependent on having a friendly government in Damascus, to intervene militarily on his side.  

A Lebanese invasion of Syria, now that would come under the heading of "History's Most Ironic Events". 

And if that happens, Fisk will find reasons to excuse it.  Anyone willing to bet against me on that one?

NiceChappie
5 minutes ago

Whatever happens you can always rely on he oh-so-impartial and objective Mr Fisk to point the finger of blame at the West or Israel - regardless of the facts.

perthite
3 hours ago

"[Assad] is claiming that international conspiracies are destroying his country. Given Saudi Arabia's and Qatar's interest in helping the resistance, he may be right." 

He kept on crying wolf for so long and so loudly that he finally summoned the attention of real wolves to himself.  Ditto the sectarian hatred he decries: it wasn't there until he stirred it up with his own actions.

SyrianLancer
4 hours ago

Christians does not support dictators as you are claiming... they support stability and want to secure thier future...
and in Syria they trust the Syrian government and Syrian president.... and definitely no wrong with that...

In which arabic country would you see such a thing:

watch?v=ky8SBqD9VZc

and why are these tens of thousands of Egyptian Christians praying for Assad??? I think God has listend to thier payers as he listened to the paryers of more than 2 million Iraqi Christians who has fled the extermination and was homes in Syria under the rule of Bashar AlAssad....  God is with Assad and Syrian Army exterminating the West made devils:

watch?v=QB2NcdMBNwM

watch above movies on Youtube...

theredcomyn
4 hours ago

No matter what the subject of commentary, Fisk never passes up an opportunity to take a swipe at the "Americans". Even when the subject of commentary is Syria, a country over which the U.S. has the least influence. Why is it that Fisk has so little sarcasm directed at Russia, the country which really has the influence to defuse the violence in Syria ? Is this just Fisk's leftist politics or due to some of his other loyalties ?

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